Weston A Price

A group to discuss and learn more about the traditional culinary customs of our ancestors and how we can bring more nutrient dense food into our lives as researched by Dr. Weston A Price.

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WAP friendly and/or organic cafes and restaurants

Hi everyone, I would like to know if there are any eateries in Wellington that are WAP friendly and/or organic. Im soon to be travelling there and would love some pointers on places to eat real food. I figured this discussion might be useful for…Continue

Started by Bridge Scully Aug 29.

Trades/Swaps/Wanted kefir grains, raw milk, sourdough starters etc..... 196 Replies

If anybody has surplus kefir grains, sourdough starters, raw milk etc it would be good to put it up on this discussion page. Then it is all in the one place and easy to find for future reference and newbies looking : ) Cheers!!Continue

Tags: kefirgrains, sodagrains, milkgrains, Rawmilk, sourdough

Started by Bridge Scully. Last reply by Kali Aug 24.

Kombucha Jar 1 Reply

Hi everyone,Does anyone know where to get a 3-5 ltr kombucha jar in Christchurch?Continue

Started by Jessica Lunsford. Last reply by Bridge Scully Dec 11, 2013.

how to cook millet

hi, a friend has given me some millet but i wanted to know the correct way to cook it and serve it to my familyContinue

Started by Kate Oct 24, 2013.

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Comment by Lisa L on June 1, 2012 at 2:13pm

Raw milk Cheese making classes are being held in Sandringham Auckland details are on the events here on the Ooooby site or my website We have a raw milk group in Sandringham but after the classes there maybe others interested so please let me know via my website if you can offer raw milk to cheesemakers or have space in your group.

Comment by WAPF nut on November 10, 2011 at 10:09am

Hi Maryana,

You could try emailing Deb Gully at

She does a lot of stuff with people on GAPS diets. I don't now if her website my have something?


Comment by Bridge Scully on August 25, 2011 at 8:34pm
Just made me 3rd batch of Saurkraut with cabbages, daikon radish, caraway seeds, cumin, salt, garlic and cayenne pepper.....hopefully she wont take as long to ferment as the days are alot hotter now. Continually making kefir from the raw milk we get every week, sometimes i strain it for longer to get a thicker kefir, other times we end up with a texture similar to yoghurt which is nie on stewed apples in the morning. Be keen to hear from anyone else experimenting with these traditional foods!
Comment by Peter Niepel on August 8, 2011 at 9:21am
Yes Richard, but it s defined in the contract. I had people on our milk map project which had to pull out of it because Fonterra learned about the fact that they sell some of their milk and in their contract it was clearly stated that 100% of their milk has to go to Fonterra. The Fonterra Rep threatened them with cancelling the contract because they were in breach of it.
Comment by Richard Grevers on August 7, 2011 at 8:47pm
As I understand it, once the milk goes into the storage tank, it's Fonterra's. But the farmer can divert a few litres for their own use and gate sales. Fonterra can presumably only buy milk from fully certified organic farms as "organic", so any additional contractural limits on diversion presumably would not apply to farms under conversion to organic status
Comment by Peter Niepel on August 7, 2011 at 5:49pm

This exactly is the problem: "accordance with an approved RMP under the APA." A Risk Management Program is approved by NZFSA and this cost you about $3,800 (latest quote from NZFSA). Plus on top of this all the changes they ask you to do with your setup etc. The RMP has to be audited on a yearly basis. Done by NZFSA approved auditors mainly assureQuality. Hourly cost $165. A yearly audit cost about $3,000 - $4,000. If you introduce a new equipment you need it signed off and audited as well. Etc etc. 

Do you know how much milk I would have to sell to just cover the cost? Dairy farms who are contracted with Fonterra have their RMP covered by Fonterra. Because they have to fulfill the requirements anyway. So those are the only ones I know of so far who can legally sell raw milk. As long as their contract with Fonterra allows them to. Which most organic dairy farms are not allowed to. 

So still if anyone knows of a farm who sells raw milk and is NOT contracted to Fonterra AND fulfills all the legal requirements I would be interested in contacting them and hopefully get some information. The ones I contacted so far invested about $500,000 into their set up. 

And by the way, the new Food Safety Bill 2010 will change everything anyway. As soon as this is law (currently going through readings in parliament, planned to be law by 2015) EVERYTHING food related will be under NZFSA and not under council anymore. That will be interesting! 

Comment by Kathrina Muller on August 7, 2011 at 4:47pm


8.4 Other legal requirements for New Zealand producers and retailers of

unpasteurised milk products

8.4.1 Farm gate sales of unpasteurised drinking milk

Section 11A of the Food Act contains a provision allowing raw milk to be sold at a producer’s dairy

premises in a quantity not exceeding five litres at any one time to a person intending the milk for

personal consumption, or for consumption by their family. Such milk must have been harvested in

accordance with an approved RMP under the APA. No change is currently proposed to this section of

the Food Act.

NZFSA has undertaken a Domestic Food Review and, as a result, has designed and consulted on a

proposed new domestic food regime. If the new food regime is progressed, it is intended that farm

gate sales of raw milk would continue.

At present there are a few people selling raw milkas per the above.  Some of them will be producing milk by organic methods, but may not be certified.  I get mine from Drury Church where they use organic methods but have not always been certified. I have heard the Karaka place sells biodynamic milk. 

Look at for more sources of milk.

Comment by Peter Niepel on August 7, 2011 at 11:12am
I doubt you can find organic raw milk in NZ. Raw milk can only be sold if the farmer is contracted to Fonterra. Otherwise the compliance cost are too high ($4,000 a year). And Fonterra doesn't allow organic producers to use their own milk as far as I know because they can't get enough organic milk. If you can find a farmer who legally sells organic raw milk with a fully approved risk management program, not contracted to Fonterra and NZFSA auditing and if he hasn't invested half a Million dollars I would be very interested to make contact with them.
Comment by Kathrina Muller on August 5, 2011 at 3:58pm

Jolien, If you are still trying to find raw milk, I get mine from Drury.  I have a friend who gets it from Karaka.  Kathrina


Comment by Katie on August 5, 2011 at 1:18pm
Jolien, you could try putting a saved search on trademe for "organic milk" or similar. I had one on for months and then much to my suprise a listing suddenly appeared! and I have just had my third delivery of fresh milk straight from the farm... its SO yellow and SO creamy... good luck, keep looking :)

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