ownership vs longterm lease- thoughts?

Posted by Serra Kilduff on January 24, 2012 at 11:27pm

Hi all
 I have just been perusing your group, and have now joined.
As an individual with a student loan debt and dreams of a 2 hectare paddock, I am finding the idea of land ownership as unattainable as ever.

What are your thoughts on alternatives? I like the idea of a longterm lease on land. Obviously there are are difficulties with finding the right person, drawing it all up legally so that all parties are protected. Does anyone have any experience with this?

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  • Karen Bee February 6, 2012 at 8:45am

    Hi Serra - it also strikes me that there are sometimes older block owners who can do with a hand/community, and who may be interested to have you help, in exchange for you living on their land, and growing things and assisting them, or your could have a more formal arrangement (may well be advisable for both parties). For many things are OK while they are younger, but as people age, there is a need for some 'young energy' - and the elders can enjoy imparting wisdom. I think it really can be a 'win/win' - among the right people. Good luck and please keep us posted. Karen :)

    • Janine Williams > Karen Bee March 8, 2012 at 2:45am

      Hi Serra

      I would agree with Karen.  You might find someone with a granny flat you could live in in exchange for helping with whatever the older couple are growing, and helping with weeding, picking, pruning, mowing etc.   It might be possible for you to have a part of the block for growing whatever it is that you want to grow.  Veges, definitely.  An informal arrangement would work fine in that situation, based on mutual trust and respect.  That could work out as cheap living and you could learn lots.

      However, if you are thinking long term and thinking tree crops, I would look at it differently.  If you're looking at planting trees you might need a lease agreement as trees are a longer-term investment.  It depends on the tree, and how long until you get a good crop and how profitable the crop is etc.

  • djm January 26, 2012 at 11:58pm

    Hi Serra

    As you're in Lyttelton, you might get some ideas/inspiration from going to this talk at the Naval Point Club next week.

    • Serra Kilduff > djm January 27, 2012 at 12:05am

      Cheers! Thanks for the link!

  • Daring Donna January 25, 2012 at 10:20am

    Hi Serra

    It's a great time to be asking this question as things are about to change in the world economy.  A huge number of people throughout NZ and the world I know are asking this question and coming up with some very cool ways to caretake a piece of land and do all that you say you would like to do.

    Mortgage means death grip so you don't want any more loans.  We started heart connecting with hordes of people around 2005 who where talking what you are talking and more.  Over that time we set up community spaces with gardens and have now moved onto 50 acres in the Far North.  Some where able to put play money in and some have put time and energy.  All of us who have found ourselves connected to this "love in action" project are heart connected and respect the diversity amongst us. Maybe find some people you heart connect with and use your skills, knowledge, resources and support together to achieve the needs of all.  The reason we have not gone down this track as a society is because we are told it wont work.  We did do not have legal documents or constitution, we have a deep trust that goes beyond protection.  Find some people, get the land and go for it girl xxxxxx

    • Serra Kilduff > Daring Donna January 25, 2012 at 9:17pm

      Thanks for your reply Donna- it is great to know that there are people out there doing it!

  • Yvonne Nikolaison January 25, 2012 at 2:58am
    if you are wanting to rent what about an ex state house with land. There are still lots of them around and the land isn't being used. or you could try and buy the same. Or get permission to dug up any flower gardens where you are and but that to use.
  • Roxy Hart January 25, 2012 at 1:32am

    Hi Ladies:)

    Yay for us whos dreams are green!

    Congratulations Kate, its wonderful that your dreams are flourishing must be the outcome of your trust.

    Serra, where abouts in the country do you live? and is this where you want to lease? A native nursery sounds awesome, would be the best job in the world :) As for your student loan what did you study and did you qualify?

    • Serra Kilduff > Roxy Hart January 25, 2012 at 1:49am

      Hiya  :)

      I'm in Lyttelton at the moment, and have been for the last three years, but have been pretty transient for most of my life.

       If you look at my previous blog,

      https://ooooby.ning.com/group/sharinginchristchurch/forum/topics/see...

      you'll see I'm putting out feelers for the work I qualified for- I'm a botanist/ ecologist with a bit of a background in ecological restoration. I am currently working in Plant Intellectual property- which is beginning to do my head in with it's ratrace ways! I feel my skills and experience would be better spent doing something(s) worthwhile.

      My qualifications are in Horticulture and Botany and Geology.

      I love Banks Penninsula, but would definitely relocate to work on projects. And yep, managing a community native plant nursery would be the best job in the world!

       

      Ah, it is so good talking to like minds!!  :)

  • Kate January 25, 2012 at 1:06am

    hi

    2 hectres is a lot of land to garden. what were you hoping to grow - were you wanting to live on the land

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