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Trades/Swaps/Wanted kefir grains, raw milk, sourdough starters etc..... 209 Replies

If anybody has surplus kefir grains, sourdough starters, raw milk etc it would be good to put it up on this discussion page. Then it is all in the one place and easy to find for future reference and newbies looking : ) Cheers!!Continue

Tags: kefirgrains, sodagrains, milkgrains, Rawmilk, sourdough

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Comment by Peter Niepel on August 7, 2011 at 5:49pm

This exactly is the problem: "accordance with an approved RMP under the APA." A Risk Management Program is approved by NZFSA and this cost you about $3,800 (latest quote from NZFSA). Plus on top of this all the changes they ask you to do with your setup etc. The RMP has to be audited on a yearly basis. Done by NZFSA approved auditors mainly assureQuality. Hourly cost $165. A yearly audit cost about $3,000 - $4,000. If you introduce a new equipment you need it signed off and audited as well. Etc etc. 

Do you know how much milk I would have to sell to just cover the cost? Dairy farms who are contracted with Fonterra have their RMP covered by Fonterra. Because they have to fulfill the requirements anyway. So those are the only ones I know of so far who can legally sell raw milk. As long as their contract with Fonterra allows them to. Which most organic dairy farms are not allowed to. 

So still if anyone knows of a farm who sells raw milk and is NOT contracted to Fonterra AND fulfills all the legal requirements I would be interested in contacting them and hopefully get some information. The ones I contacted so far invested about $500,000 into their set up. 

And by the way, the new Food Safety Bill 2010 will change everything anyway. As soon as this is law (currently going through readings in parliament, planned to be law by 2015) EVERYTHING food related will be under NZFSA and not under council anymore. That will be interesting! 

Comment by Kathrina Muller on August 7, 2011 at 4:47pm


8.4 Other legal requirements for New Zealand producers and retailers of

unpasteurised milk products

8.4.1 Farm gate sales of unpasteurised drinking milk

Section 11A of the Food Act contains a provision allowing raw milk to be sold at a producer’s dairy

premises in a quantity not exceeding five litres at any one time to a person intending the milk for

personal consumption, or for consumption by their family. Such milk must have been harvested in

accordance with an approved RMP under the APA. No change is currently proposed to this section of

the Food Act.

NZFSA has undertaken a Domestic Food Review and, as a result, has designed and consulted on a

proposed new domestic food regime. If the new food regime is progressed, it is intended that farm

gate sales of raw milk would continue.

At present there are a few people selling raw milkas per the above.  Some of them will be producing milk by organic methods, but may not be certified.  I get mine from Drury Church where they use organic methods but have not always been certified. I have heard the Karaka place sells biodynamic milk. 

Look at for more sources of milk.

Comment by Peter Niepel on August 7, 2011 at 11:12am
I doubt you can find organic raw milk in NZ. Raw milk can only be sold if the farmer is contracted to Fonterra. Otherwise the compliance cost are too high ($4,000 a year). And Fonterra doesn't allow organic producers to use their own milk as far as I know because they can't get enough organic milk. If you can find a farmer who legally sells organic raw milk with a fully approved risk management program, not contracted to Fonterra and NZFSA auditing and if he hasn't invested half a Million dollars I would be very interested to make contact with them.
Comment by Kathrina Muller on August 5, 2011 at 3:58pm

Jolien, If you are still trying to find raw milk, I get mine from Drury.  I have a friend who gets it from Karaka.  Kathrina


Comment by Katie on August 5, 2011 at 1:18pm
Jolien, you could try putting a saved search on trademe for "organic milk" or similar. I had one on for months and then much to my suprise a listing suddenly appeared! and I have just had my third delivery of fresh milk straight from the farm... its SO yellow and SO creamy... good luck, keep looking :)
Comment by Sarah Walsh on August 5, 2011 at 9:27am
I'd 2nd that. i've left my grains in the fridge for up to 3mths and they've survived.
Comment by Cally Brown on August 4, 2011 at 12:36pm
Thanks, Lisa. I'll give it a go tomorrow.
Comment by Lisa on August 4, 2011 at 11:37am
Hi Cally.  I would just make kefir with the grains. I would think it would take twice before the grains are up and running again.  I keep mine in the fridge and only use them when the urge strikes me.  If I think in between I dump a tbs of sugar in to keep them happy.
Comment by Cally Brown on August 4, 2011 at 8:27am
I forgot about my water kefir grains - I went away on holiday for 3 weeks, took a few more weeks to recover, and then rediscovered the water kefir grains in the fridge. I have been trying to revive them but don't really know what I'm doing. I rinsed them and have been feeding them a little sugar and each day the sweetness has lessened, and it smells like kefir but very slow, no detectable fizz.  I'm sure I could get some more from someone  more caring of their grains, but I'm interested in whether it is possible to revive them or am I wasting my time?
Comment by Bridge Scully on July 3, 2011 at 10:39am
ENjoying stewed apples most mornings for breakfast. Granny smiths or cooking apples, slimed small, add a little water to help cook them. Once done add LOTS of butter, toasted coconut and kefir. Favo meal ever!

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